Friday, 28 March 2008

Gay education

I love reading the opinion letters in newspapers. I love how they show incredible intelligence AND incredible ignorance in such a small space that, hopefully the latter doesn't, represent Vancovouver citizens.
I've been published a few times in the letters pages, and I must say it IS kind of hard to get a letter published there- it has to be some sort of sensational, of course and once I got the hang of knowing how to be sensational wriing letters to newspapers got old.

Anyhow, two letters in particular got me interested enough to dicuss here.

I read this one first:

Gay taxpayers tired of subsidizng their critics:
It is bad enough that we gay British Columbians subsidize private Catholic schools with our tax dollars, but they now object to gays being included in diversity programs in public schools. Our thousands of dollars are gleefully accepted, but we are considered inferior and unworthy. I don't think so. It's time all taxpayers took a close look at private schools that inevitably teach that they are the only ones worthy of anything.
Hugh (Bart) Vincelette, Vancouver


I had a "huh..that's interesting" moment.
Ad at first I agreed whole heartely- WHY do we as taxpayers pay for things that will demoralize our community and/or bash and/or potentially spread hate?

But also at the same time a taxpayers we fund a lot of public programming that we may not personally believe is morally justifiable (help me out here..I can't hink of any at the moment). I think it is safe to say though that we should respect other people's thoughts and opinions even though they may be against our own. Isn't that what Canada is all about? We're a mosaic right? meaning that there is a lot of diversity but we still exist in segregated "tiles" and retain our uniqueness within a broader picture (unlike the below 49th parallel melting pot).

BUT this is different because education is PUBLIC, and yes, even though private schools can teach with different philosophies or different curiculum even private schools are supported by public tax dollars to some extent- if you want me to explain the reason why I can, but for now that discussion is best saved for if you really give a damn.

So if education is PUBLIC, then we should be giving children content that will make our society more cohesive, supportive and tolerant- no?
That being said I don't believe Catholic schools are teaching HATE or anti-gay messages per se, I think they may just be staying quiet on the issue- (I'm not sure..I'll have to ask my Cath teacher friend)- but even if they do stay quiet on the issue that may be spreading ignorance.

But what if some segments of Catholicism DO believe that homosexuality gets in the way of cohesiveness in a functional society? There's an argument to be made there, one that I can make, but I don't believe in so I won't make it.

(Ok, that's a lot of thinking out loud). I totally understand these points raised by Vincelette (what a name, by the way..).

But say he is right, how would it be feasible to NOT have gay people, or any minority, special rights groups, not pay towards a public program? First you would have to justify why you should not pay, and then you would have to uh...check off "gay- don't want my money in Catholic schools" box on you tax form? yeah...and that would begin to breed MAJOR inequalities in funding in ANY publicprogram if minority groups were able to do that.

...i don't think the word "minority" is quite correct..I'm beginning to think we should be inclusive of any group n o matter what size..but then stakeholder models...ok.. NEXT

SO, I THEN read this:

Powerful minorities shouldn't influence school courses:
Diversity? Nothing could be farther from the truth of what the guide Making Space, Giving Voice suggests. The "guide," which is the result of the Corren agreement with the ministry of education that gave two homosexuals the special privilege of reviewing the K-12 curriculum, is focused on advancing an agenda including approval of homosexual lifestyles, using "social justice" as a convenient publicly accepted concurrence. No other group, "diverse" or conventional, has been given the licence to promote their beliefs within the curriculum as has been accorded to the Correns.
Of course, homosexuals are entitled to the same rights as all other Canadians, but it should not be at the expense of an already time-challenging curriculum, nor should a curriculum be so powerfully influenced by a special minority. The guide advances the ethics of homosexuals at variance with the ethics of other majority and minority groups, be they Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists, agnostics or Canuck fans. Having carefully read Catholic Civil Rights League director Sean Murphy's Making Sense of Making Space, Giving Voice, noting the misinformation and exclusion of facts not in harmony with the Corren Creed, and all its negative consequences, I believe it is imperative that parents take action to prevent the creed from becoming the "guide" for the education of their children.
Walter Szetela, Delta


Now I get this person's point- there are SO many groups that can influence or curriculum so when does it get so far that we're being TOO inclusive such that we have a horribly broad curriculum?

I agree it may get TOO much, but it's not right to close the doors and say no minority group can TRY to influence the curriculum. We have to be able to at least give groups a process where they can show grievance and go through a process inclusion in curriculum. It is our right to be able to influence the curriculum- any taxpayer ad citizen has a right to say what we teach our yout and we should not take away that process of expressing disapproval and subsequent revision of the curriculum.

The curriculum IS time consuming, but good teachers will figure out a way to hear minority voices- remember that teaching has gone FAR since the days of old person lecturing in front of rows of kids- Kids can pick minority groups that they are interested in, do group projects on it and present them to the class much like we do with different cultures/countries, and even different systems in the body.

I dunno, just an issue I thought was interesting- what do you think? who's right? and is it even feasible to be inclusive of ALL minority groups?

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Samantha Orwell said...

hot discussion on topic:

http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/reportcard/archive/2008/03/26/catholic-group-warns-about-gay-friendly-teaching-guide.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage

ursa minor said...

This page says that the church is more than welcome to try and impose its will on the population 5 minutes after it starts paying taxes like the rest of the population.

Anonymous said...

"But what if some segments of Catholicism DO believe that homosexuality gets in the way of cohesiveness in a functional society?"

What if some atheists believe that christians get in the way?

What if some whites believe blacks get in the way?

Anonymous said...

everybody has a right to their own opinion as long as you are not spreading hate.
the point is that catholics are against homosexuality, but not homosexual people, per se. If you can separate those two then you can see she's getting at.
these are ideological differences. i don't side with the catholic church one bit, but i can see that there is an argument for them.
as to how it would be feasible? it wouldn't.

Anonymous said...

"everybody has a right to their own opinion as long as you are not spreading hate.
the point is that catholics are against homosexuality, but not homosexual people, per se. If you can separate those two then you can see she's getting at."

You can't separate the two. Homosexuals ARE homosexuality. It's silly to say one has nothing against others as people, but only against what makes the person different, or only wants the person to act as though being something he or she is not; and say that isn't bigotry. It's quite hypocritical as well.

What if I said I like Christians as people, but I don't want them to espouse Christianity?

Anonymous said...

Perhaps it would help to read the document that is the subject of the controversy. The Vancouver Sun Blog has a link to it - "in a critique prepared" http://www.ccrl.ca/index.php?id=4932

Anonymous said...

if this is 'Queer curriculum' why do the course and the guide include all those other special interest groups like black people and the handicapped?

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Anonymous said...

Hello
I am the mom of a transgendered teen in high school in BC presently. The whole racist, sexist & homophobic nightmare is absolutely still happening in the halls AND the classrooms and streets, even as we speak. Much lip service has been paid to how we really must do something about it by many administrators, trustees & ministers of education. A little bit has been done, in the last few years, but it only takes the form of silencing & disciplining the kids that are making cruel taunts, physical violence & death threats. They are told not to do that anymore. But they still do. When the school suspends them, they are sent home for a week and then they come back to school again as if they are just fine now. They then behave that way, around town, away from school because the school did not accomplish any education or healing for them. Nothing is done to teach any of them, in any deep way about how they are hurting everyone, including themselves when they participate in cruelty. We can not be satisfied to just silence these children who have learned to feel hate for those who are different from them. Those who feel so 'right' about heir hate that they think God and their parents and society are behind them when they abuse or violate another helpless kid. We, as parents and educators and citizens must find a way that will heal them of their bigotry and hatred, even if it upsets their bigoted hating parents. Their racist and homophobic ideology and behaviour are NOT only destructive, crushing and often fatal for the children that are victims of the abuse/assaults; it is also very, very, OH SO VERY, destructive to the children who perpetrate these hatreds AND to all the other kids who end up watching it all happen right in front of them eyes, too afraid to saying anything to stop it...All of these kids hearts, are being broken; those very hearts that Jesus has simply asked us to keep filled with love, and to chase out hate when we feel it or see it. To 'judge not, and neither be afraid'. The children that are being allowed & possibly encouraged to feel justified in their hatred, because their religions have misinformed them, are at an enormous risk. Does anyone really believe that when they stand before their ultimate judge, that Jesus & God will congratulate them for stopping the kids in schools from the destruction of human lives and the crushing of another child's self love. I beg you all to rethink this, but this time, pray to God, to allow love to come back into your hearts and remove the fear and hate. That's what this issue is really all about. It is not about right VS. wrong. It is not about good VS. evil. It IS about LOVE VS. HATE. I do not believe anyone, in the ministry of education, or the diverse LGBT community at large has an agenda to indoctrinate or recruit young people into turning into more gay & transgender & lesbian & bisexual people. Believe me, there are plenty enough for the world to be balanced and healthy, and thousands more are born every day into families filled with love. Some will be arriving to bless Christian families. I pray every day for the kids that are born into hate, who will be crushed and destroyed by their very parents that God gave them to love unconditionally. Please somebody help these ALL of these wonderful wonderful young people.

FOR GODS SAKE and in the name of love, I implore the ministry of education to take the leadership role in our schools. This education to heal the hate absolutely must happen now; it is way overdue. For thousands of children, it is already too late. In the name of the same light of love & peace, I implore the Catholic Church, (which strives, I believe to bring the love of Christ to all): to cease the way you inflame this issue and call for Christians to resist the efforts of those who want hate to end, on earth, and in the schools, where our children must spend 7-8 hours 5 days a week. I know the Catholic church is going to have to take a very close look at this issue and find a way to bring it's flock back to love again.

If this church obstructs society from ending the violence and abuse and death, through teaching & healing, then I think that Canadians may just end up launching a human rights complaint against the Catholic church itself. And we will have god and Jesus on our side of the court. They are sitting with me right now as I write. I know this, because my heart is filled with love & compassion for all of us, even the unfortunate bigoted ones.

Love & Peace to EVERYONE

TransParent

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